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Haha the joys of side exhaust; sounds good, looks good, makes working on the car much easier... there always has to be a catch doesn't it? :D
Over here we have this simple trick if you are on the verge of failing the noise test. A push - on 90 degree tip that directs the exhaust to the ground. It really makes a difference and saved the day on the last trackday was taking part in. Got flagged for noise levels, installed these, and could continue tracking for the rest of the day without issues. Without these the car was making around 97dB @3,5K rpm. I know it kinda looks like W123 diesel with these on, but hey, small price to pay, and it takes like 30 seconds to install. The tips are secured with hex screws, more as a precaution, since its a tight fit.
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MD sometimes has good ideas…. Sometimes……split the exhaust to both sides. I’m guessing the sound meter is on one side only. The tip has to shrink to 2”. Pieter’s mod also works. Either way I’m Pretty sure with these 2 mods you will pass 100db easily.
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Hi Pieter , I would have thought deflecting noise into tarmac could amplify it. Not sure why I thought that as it could result in destructive interference .. .. noise reduction . I understood the exhaust on the 155 DTM were turned up to reduce noise and keep the power they achieved .
I have bought my second box for the other side exit.
Zamani .. I will do both mods .. and turn tips down !
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Hi MD, so making plan for noisy tracks to bolt on another side exit . Currently under construction!
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Kev,

If this doesn’t work, Reduce the size of the outlet. Since you have a total of 3 outlets (2 outlet on passenger’s, and 1 on driver’s) shrinking it to 2” at the tip shouldn’t have an impact on power but will have a good reduction in noise level.
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Kevin,
Stop. STOP. SSSSSTTTOOOPPP !!!
You got the concept all arse about face.
The idea is:-
Take the left bank left with a larger muffler only.
Take the right bank with a larger muffler only.
DO NOT COMBINE ANYTHING.

The idea being that you distribute the noise to two locations and not concentrate it into one area for the microphone to pick it up. Noise dispersal is the idea.
Pointing the outlet DOWN may absorb a tiny amount of energy into the ground. Don't count on it but it wont hurt.

What you are showing that you are about to do is going to make 3/5ths of fuck all difference.
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Right got it Md , I will put a potato into the one exit pipe . Normally I save this potato for my budgie smugglers ! The old trick you taught me :)
I will have a blanking gasket which i will use to switch banks ie .. one to left and one to right . This will separate it totally .
Will keep you posted .
You know you never mentioned the the potato was supposed to go in front with the budgie smugglers !
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Good luck with the fish and chips.
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Well they say summer time is coming except it’s rained every day for last month and think seen the sun briefly three times. Anyway not stopping from getting cars ready for use this year. Last year I as cut short with a severe arm workshop related injury that required plates and screws so hopefully this year will be better :) … with the power steering now.
The 3.0GTV comes with a much lower from spoiler and with the car lowered it’s really difficult not to damage the spoiler even with a low nose Jack so I drew up and got some extended front jacking point mounts made up . These are about 25mm longer than the original SA type . What a pleasure now to lift car up . I have noticed the UK spec GTV has a strange jacking point which is not even bolted on certain year model and have only seen failures on these .
Check this out … no you cannot tow off it . I had two extra made but I’m sure if anyone wants I can get some done .
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Look at that long reach and high lift jack. Need to visit you next year!
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Zamani , you should come out for Classic Alfa trackday at Goodwood this year !
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I have been trying to tidy up the exposed wiring in the cabin side side especially around consul and fuse box so I have laser cut some cover plates . The fuse box cover plate is mainly to hold it in position so you can unclip easy with out breaking back with roll cage in position . They must still be painted wrinkle black .
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It’s been quite a while but good news was I got to use the car quite a bit up to the summer which was the Classic Alfa Day at Goodwood . I did not have time to reconstruct an entire exhaust so I added a third silencer to the side exit ! Yep three silencers/boxes/mufflers whatever the country you’re in calls them. It did not look pretty but doing the track day was priority which means passing the noise test . Well I nearly passed but was allowed to proceed with 4500rpm short shift limit ! Yeah yeah ! Fast forward a few hours of awesome track time in the rain and dry I ended up with a head gasket starting to fail.
This was no surprise as it already had a slight seepage issue.
The heads have never been off since 2007 and this engine was in my white race originally so it’s been through two race seasons , quite a few track days and loads of UK country road driving .

Not to upset about this I decided it was time to refresh the engine and its ancillary parts . Some stories and pics to follow
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Leading up to the track day I decided to get the car back on the dyno (rollers) to check the mixtures etc . It’s the first time it’s been on the dyno since coming to UK and we immediately picked up its running out of injectors !! Not surprising as these were my old 164 3.0s and I was living at 6000ft above sea level .
The engine made a solid 320hp at 5600 which which is pretty mild for a 3.7 with 10.5 compression and regrind cams . After the session it was noted new injectors would be on the shopping lists. . Note the impressive torque
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Finally the Classic Alfa Track arrived and with the help of my mate Matt I got both my GTV 6s out onto the track. My original road 3.0 was sporting its new throttle body conversion which has been in progress for the last 30months . I will post more information on that in another topic .
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