One note on the supercharger...I THINK (as I'm not sure) you will have problems with getting the car past the smog check here in California with the supercharger installed. Greg and others have more experience with this and I don't know where you have the car registered.....its something worth checking into.
Scott
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That's correct. In California the visual inspection is the main hurdle. If the visual inspection turns up anything that's not part of the original design they won't pass it regardless of what it's actual pollution numbers are.
The only acception to this is for parts which have a CARB approval number. Getting CARB approval is so costly that there are NO CARB approved performance parts for the Alfa V6 at all.
The only acception to this is for parts which have a CARB approval number. Getting CARB approval is so costly that there are NO CARB approved performance parts for the Alfa V6 at all.
Smong Inspction
Hello,
Well we almost disconnected everything except for the main injection sytem and one other wire which we were not sure what this is. Since we only worked on it for 5 hours & all my metric wrenches were missing we stopped for the day. I wil post some more pictures of todays work and need to get a little more input on the injection system before we take this apart. Fuel injection is so much different that carbs. Too many wires and stuff.
In regards to the smog, I thought my Car is exempt since it is 23 years old and in CA we only need to smog cars that are 20 years and newer. I did not check with DMV yet but are you sure I need to deal with Smog??
Well we almost disconnected everything except for the main injection sytem and one other wire which we were not sure what this is. Since we only worked on it for 5 hours & all my metric wrenches were missing we stopped for the day. I wil post some more pictures of todays work and need to get a little more input on the injection system before we take this apart. Fuel injection is so much different that carbs. Too many wires and stuff.
In regards to the smog, I thought my Car is exempt since it is 23 years old and in CA we only need to smog cars that are 20 years and newer. I did not check with DMV yet but are you sure I need to deal with Smog??
Progress Pictures
Hello,
Alfa project right on track. We were not able to finish this weekend so I hopefully will get this out next weekend. Did think I was going to have so much fun actually restoring my car. Here are some more pictures of us pulling misc. items from the engine.
I have one question to anyone who may know this. The picture with Main Harnes with the 6 injector wires is the last main wiring to remove. It appears to be held on with one bolt and then the wiring is run on down the plen. Is this the only thing to remove and then to unclip the injector plugs? Is there any special procedure to do this? Thanks for any suggestions.
Alfa project right on track. We were not able to finish this weekend so I hopefully will get this out next weekend. Did think I was going to have so much fun actually restoring my car. Here are some more pictures of us pulling misc. items from the engine.
I have one question to anyone who may know this. The picture with Main Harnes with the 6 injector wires is the last main wiring to remove. It appears to be held on with one bolt and then the wiring is run on down the plen. Is this the only thing to remove and then to unclip the injector plugs? Is there any special procedure to do this? Thanks for any suggestions.
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There is not special procedure. However great care should be taken to avoid damage to the injector's electrical plugs. They are secured with a little wire clip that has to be released with a tiny screwdriver or something like it. Then it will pull right off the injector. If you don't do this you will break the connector.
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I suppose you could do that to minimize the freon attacking the ozone layer. However it has almost certainly already leaked out so I don't think it will do any good. If you want to minimize the amount of freon escaping then be sure to turn your A.C. on at least once a week, even in the winter to keep the seals from leaking. That will do far for to prevent freon escaping into the atmosphere than hooking up an already empty system to a reclamation machine.
note: I revised this post to make it more enviornmentally friendly. My overall point remains the same.
note: I revised this post to make it more enviornmentally friendly. My overall point remains the same.
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Alfa Engine Removal
Thanks for the information Gordon,
My associate did mention the freon and I thought this would be under great pressure when we removed the connections so I did not want to disconnect this without guidance. There was a presure release on the one side of the connector and we tried this and there was no pressure at all. So the enviroment already received my freon. I know that Alfa's Air conditionings are not that good anyway but I am sure it would help if it had freon.
Changing the suject, on your supercharger I noticed that it does not look at all like the AMG one. Why is that?? I am looking at the SL 55 model.
Cann't wait for the weekend. Have the new engine stand and rolling jack stands for this project car.
My associate did mention the freon and I thought this would be under great pressure when we removed the connections so I did not want to disconnect this without guidance. There was a presure release on the one side of the connector and we tried this and there was no pressure at all. So the enviroment already received my freon. I know that Alfa's Air conditionings are not that good anyway but I am sure it would help if it had freon.
Changing the suject, on your supercharger I noticed that it does not look at all like the AMG one. Why is that?? I am looking at the SL 55 model.
Cann't wait for the weekend. Have the new engine stand and rolling jack stands for this project car.
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Hi Cchan,
I suspected all the freon would already be gone. That's pretty common.
The supercharger I prefer to use is the Magnuson MP62 and a rotory bypass valve for on/off control. AMG uses (I think) a Lysholm type with a clutch for on/off control. My kit can be made with a Lysholm, however for a street car I prefer the MP62.
I suspected all the freon would already be gone. That's pretty common.
The supercharger I prefer to use is the Magnuson MP62 and a rotory bypass valve for on/off control. AMG uses (I think) a Lysholm type with a clutch for on/off control. My kit can be made with a Lysholm, however for a street car I prefer the MP62.
cchan,
in Ca. you have to smog all cars 1976 and newer. There are some exceptions for registering in remote counties (near the oregon border).
There was, at one point, a rolling 30 year limit on smog checks. That ended when the car tax was rolled back a few years ago. Now its just 1975 and older cars that are exempt from smog checks.
If you haven't registered the car in your name yet you will find out.
hth
Scott
in Ca. you have to smog all cars 1976 and newer. There are some exceptions for registering in remote counties (near the oregon border).
There was, at one point, a rolling 30 year limit on smog checks. That ended when the car tax was rolled back a few years ago. Now its just 1975 and older cars that are exempt from smog checks.
If you haven't registered the car in your name yet you will find out.
hth
Scott
Smog Issue
Hi MR2 Zig,
Thanks for the input on the smog situation. The car has not been registerd for along time since I did not use it nor was it on a public road. I have all the original equipment so I guess I will need to factor in the smog check on the modifcations for the engine.
I am still confident that this Forum will give me suggestions on how to increase HP & pass smog as well.
Thanks for the input on the smog situation. The car has not been registerd for along time since I did not use it nor was it on a public road. I have all the original equipment so I guess I will need to factor in the smog check on the modifcations for the engine.
I am still confident that this Forum will give me suggestions on how to increase HP & pass smog as well.
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it is a shame you dont live in ny. 100$ buys the inspection pass. they dont even put my car on the rollers anymore!
i concur with the guru's above. if you have the time to source a 3.0l 24v motor in the uk or germany and the price is right... go for it. there was some guy demanding 2 grand for a rebuilt motor on ebay in germany that basically would have included all the ancillaries except the injection and ecu. thats a great price! if your budget is lower or you dont want to be hassled with international shipments you can find 3.0l 12v 164 motors for much less and even under $1000. then again there is a nice supercharger option which will only take a couple hours to remove for the inspection, but it is still a sohc motor.
i have been searching for the right 24v for almost a year now. i have faith the right motor will magically swap itself.
cheers
vittorio
i concur with the guru's above. if you have the time to source a 3.0l 24v motor in the uk or germany and the price is right... go for it. there was some guy demanding 2 grand for a rebuilt motor on ebay in germany that basically would have included all the ancillaries except the injection and ecu. thats a great price! if your budget is lower or you dont want to be hassled with international shipments you can find 3.0l 12v 164 motors for much less and even under $1000. then again there is a nice supercharger option which will only take a couple hours to remove for the inspection, but it is still a sohc motor.
i have been searching for the right 24v for almost a year now. i have faith the right motor will magically swap itself.
cheers
vittorio
Alfa Restore
Hi SporttunnerGTV6,
Thanks for the information. I will have the engine out this weekend. So into this project that I am actually going to schedule 8 hours rather than 4 for this weekend. We can get the car stand blasted next week and decide how to handle the undercarriage.
How much HP does a stock 3.0 24V have?? I am also wondering what a GTA engine is all about. Any input would be greatly appreciated. It looks like these engines are put in transverse in the cars that they are removed from and you need to deal with engine mounts. This must be a hassle.
Anyway, I am learning alot about my Alfa & I will post some more pictures of my work in progress.
Thanks for the information. I will have the engine out this weekend. So into this project that I am actually going to schedule 8 hours rather than 4 for this weekend. We can get the car stand blasted next week and decide how to handle the undercarriage.
How much HP does a stock 3.0 24V have?? I am also wondering what a GTA engine is all about. Any input would be greatly appreciated. It looks like these engines are put in transverse in the cars that they are removed from and you need to deal with engine mounts. This must be a hassle.
Anyway, I am learning alot about my Alfa & I will post some more pictures of my work in progress.
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damn.. i had a nice post i was working on and then like an idiot i closed the window! in short, a 24v conversion requires some time and a healthy bit of metal fabrication skills, but it is by far the best best starting point, ie. if you want to supercharge your 2.5 it will be great, but if you want to supercharge a 3.0 it will be even better. remember that a 3.0l block is good for 3.5l overbore and a 3.2 is good for 3.7 as we have seen from guys like dawie and jano at autodelta. you dont have to force feed her, but it makes for a good story.
back to the books,
vittorio
back to the books,
vittorio