Re: driveshaft conversion
Affirmative.
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Re: driveshaft conversion
Mats I know you're reluctant to share any data at this stage of project (testing) but since i have limited access to my car I have just few questions regearding flywheel dimensions for V6:
-Bolt PCD
-Bolt dia.
-flywheel spigot offset
When's the testing?
-Bolt PCD
-Bolt dia.
-flywheel spigot offset
When's the testing?
Re: driveshaft conversion
109.7mm PCD and 12mm bolt dia.
Offset depends, are you keeping the bushing or not?
Testing, well, sometime this year...
Offset depends, are you keeping the bushing or not?
Testing, well, sometime this year...
Mats Strandberg
-Scuderia Rosso- Now burned to the ground...
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155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
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GTV 2000 -77 - Died in the fire.
155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
Re: driveshaft conversion
Mats you mean the pilot bearing? This how my flywheel looks. Funny thing is when I was removing the driveshaft, there was no pilot bearing on the driveshaft itself. Maybe that uncorroded bit sticking out from the flywheel is the remnants of the bearing? Anyway what also keeps me bothered is the length of the flywheel bolts. I assume that either flywhell side of the cvj flange would have to be as thick as the donut, which would suck in means of rotating weight OR make 3 sleeves that would press the flange against the flywheel.
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Re: driveshaft conversion
There is a pressed in bushing in the flywheel, brass or bronze. Bolts need to be replaced, too long and too risky to cut new threads in the existing.
Mats Strandberg
-Scuderia Rosso- Now burned to the ground...
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GTV 2000 -77 - Died in the fire.
155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
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GTV 2000 -77 - Died in the fire.
155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
Re: driveshaft conversion
I see it's easier to work with than the Touareg/Cayenne cvj. Finally got it fabricated right:Mats wrote:Well it's a standard NTN CV-joint, probably is in place on quite a few cars actually.
I hope since they're for ze Germans, they should last
Now gotta, get hold of that flywhell locking tool, which will probably mean making it from scratch
Re: driveshaft conversion
Here is what I have for the 3.7 24v race Milano. One-piece carbon fiber driveshaft with Scuderia Biscione front coupling. As you can see it uses Milano/GTV6 front splined section, but late Alfetta rear flange. I have Alfetta yoke and clutch cover with Alfetta slave cylinder setup on transaxle. The shift linkage is relocated from tunnel into cabin. The WRX STI guys run these kind of driveshafts also on their street cars.
Jes
Jes
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Re: driveshaft conversion
Jes, just seen this. Absolutely awsome. The entire gearbox would have to be dropped to put this in or can you tilt the dedion enough.
Re: driveshaft conversion
Yes, I plan to slide the gearbox backwards a bit duing install and removal. Everything is currently out of the car, and that is usually the process I use anyway when putting dedion and transaxle back-in (or removing the combo).
Jes
Jes
87 Milano Verde - daily driver - Juliet
87 Milano 3.0 Motronic - budget race car - Roxanne
87 Milano 3.7 24v - race car
(Repeat or do as I say at your own risk - be critical)
87 Milano 3.0 Motronic - budget race car - Roxanne
87 Milano 3.7 24v - race car
(Repeat or do as I say at your own risk - be critical)
Re: driveshaft conversion
Jes
A very nice job. Only sorry I cannot get one made in Oz.
Love the front coupling.
For the rear the Alfa coupling may still be a weak link. Perhaps a can over it like Kevin uses would help. However, (in any future redesign) I see no reason why you couldn't use a CV joint there as this would take care of the coupling issue and off course there is sufficient fore and aft slide in the joint to be able to fit the shaft without moving the gearbox at all.
Worse case scenario fit a universal joint with slip joint before it instead of the donut. That would also allow for rotation, location and length variation so you would not need to move the gearbox also. See photos.
Perhaps you could give us the details of the manufacturer and I could see if I need to morgage the house to get one..
A very nice job. Only sorry I cannot get one made in Oz.
Love the front coupling.
For the rear the Alfa coupling may still be a weak link. Perhaps a can over it like Kevin uses would help. However, (in any future redesign) I see no reason why you couldn't use a CV joint there as this would take care of the coupling issue and off course there is sufficient fore and aft slide in the joint to be able to fit the shaft without moving the gearbox at all.
Worse case scenario fit a universal joint with slip joint before it instead of the donut. That would also allow for rotation, location and length variation so you would not need to move the gearbox also. See photos.
Perhaps you could give us the details of the manufacturer and I could see if I need to morgage the house to get one..
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Re: driveshaft conversion
Absolutely. It was made by ACPT - http://www.acpt.com Although I have not yet run it, it was based on a proven design from a race GTV6 (Al Mitchell) and according to Richard Jemison's specs. ACPT is local to me, so it was easy to visit them, bring various Alfa driveshaft pieces, discuss dimensions and design options, etc.
Although safety was my main motivation, it does offer a weight saving (of rotating mass). It is 1/3 lighter, or in absolute numbers, 7.5 lbs lighter (I think my bathroom scale showed).
Jes
Although safety was my main motivation, it does offer a weight saving (of rotating mass). It is 1/3 lighter, or in absolute numbers, 7.5 lbs lighter (I think my bathroom scale showed).
Jes
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87 Milano 3.0 Motronic - budget race car - Roxanne
87 Milano 3.7 24v - race car
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87 Milano 3.7 24v - race car
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Re: driveshaft conversion
Looks good Jes .
MD I would be interested in one or two.
Maybe a group buy?
John
MD I would be interested in one or two.
Maybe a group buy?
John
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Re: driveshaft conversion
Looks like a season for driveshaft upgrades. Id be interested how your shift linkage mechanism looks now Jes.
Now Mats, if you're reading this, have you threaded the holes on the cvj side of the front flange
I took flywheel and other junk to the shop this morning, and I need to tell them, whether thread the holes or not.
thanks
Now Mats, if you're reading this, have you threaded the holes on the cvj side of the front flange
I took flywheel and other junk to the shop this morning, and I need to tell them, whether thread the holes or not.
thanks
Re: driveshaft conversion
Yes 6xM8x1.
Now, that's one clever way to use a windsurfing mast...
Just kidding, looks nice, how much did it set you back?
Now, that's one clever way to use a windsurfing mast...
Just kidding, looks nice, how much did it set you back?
Mats Strandberg
-Scuderia Rosso- Now burned to the ground...
-onemanracing.com-
-Strandberg.photography-
GTV 2000 -77 - Died in the fire.
155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
-Scuderia Rosso- Now burned to the ground...
-onemanracing.com-
-Strandberg.photography-
GTV 2000 -77 - Died in the fire.
155 V6 Sport -96 - Sold!
Re: driveshaft conversion
Peter,
I think Jes said that the shift linkage is inside the cabin. I use the same set up. Gets around the problem and makes for a much better shifter anyway. Easy on a race car. Harder in a street job but I have done it for both.
I think Jes said that the shift linkage is inside the cabin. I use the same set up. Gets around the problem and makes for a much better shifter anyway. Easy on a race car. Harder in a street job but I have done it for both.
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